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Reformed Englishman- 02-13-2005
That slam is at least 50-50 if not more. When do you lead from Kxxx (or away from a King)* against a slam, and you don't always lead the ace, plus the chance partner had the King aslo.

*This does not include the glorius defence against Miles' slam under Awesome Slam on other page.

David- 02-13-2005
I think that is a tad optimistic saying the slam is 50-50!

Leading an ace is quite common against a slam. I also know quite a few people who swear by the tactic of underleading a king against a slam (particularly in an auction like that!) as:

[a] It is probably the best chance of generating a second trick if declarer is already missing an ace elsewhere

[b] It put's the pressure on to guess at trick 1 when it's not clear how things will break and who has what.

I can understand the logic behind your bidding, but I think I would have wanted my club suit to be slightly better. I take it a 3H response meant good points and a poor suit?

Yes, cue bidding your 1st and 2nd round controls would have given away the correct lead to your opponents but it would have also kept you out of an unmakeable slam. With no guarantee your club suit was good enough to provide the discards you needed, I'd have been tempted not to punt it. Then again, I guess it depends on how you were doing in the match at the time. What do other people think?

There's actually probably a good teaching point here from a defensive point of view: If you opponents bid quickly to a slam, there is usually a good reason for doing so and therefore you should be very attacking in your lead (ie don't wimp out with a trump lead if you have an outside Ace or King (or even a queen) that could generate a trick quickly)

Nice to hear some bridge being discussed on here for a change! wink.gif

Myles- 02-13-2005
I agree that the slam is not 50-50...its chances mean, where the cards lie can it make on best defence and the answer is it has 0% play. It's bid properly though on the assumption you have some ground rules on weak 2's and stick to them

Should be 6spades,a diamond and hopefully 5 clubs. You say the club suit may not be holding up but with partner having
Q - It's 6 tricks
xx - 3-2 split/ or Q dropping from a short hand
xxx - Q should drop

So really opposite any club holding it has play

It's hands like this and lots others where i feel a specific queen ask convention is needed...any ideas?

Back to it being 50/50. That's more a statment of how often the cards will lie favourably(splits, onside etc). The slam needs a mis-defence to make => 0% chance to play it. Any contract has a play (almost dont be picky) if you count the chance of oppo mis-defending.

Even supposing we do it isnt 50/50
AK on lead chance= 25%
A on lead chance = 25%
lead from Jt9 etc = number
lead 4th highest/mud=number
underleads K = <25%
leads other major= chance (always right leading unbid majors)

sure thats more than 50....
or just on suit leads it's 25% going clean straight to the cleaners

But playing vs the big sugar daddies of poland please bid it (and even worse ones wink.gif ) i will be

But come on playing against a ****(poor dry.gif ) team that leads AK against you for a 10 imp swing out you would kill youself
and if it was a proper tight match and then this comes in 6h off a cashing ace king do you really want to show your head?

But i talk too much and am in love with slams. I was gutted didnt have any to bid all weekend. And well your's made so good call smile.gif

ajags- 02-14-2005
First Board, Final Match in case you're interested.

Myles- 02-14-2005
ahh, where we needed lots of imps, good call then

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