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Myles- 10-07-2005
What does everyone play over 2N (strong 20-22 odd)

And what to do with a 5332 with Major 11 count?

Any thoughts on only completing transfers with 3+ and bidding 3n with a doubleton?

mizzi- 10-13-2005
Glad to see someone is still taking part on the forum!!!!!!!!!!!
Bidding over 2NT? With a regular partnership I used to play a complicated system which included slam trys with 6 card suits and a methosd for minors...If you really want I can give it.
However, you know me, Unless playing a LOT. then simple is best,and I like Baron and transfers, with 3S showing 5 spades and 4 hearts.
With the hand you gave, I would bid 3Hearts, then 4NT which is QUANTATIVE! Remember, when either side has bid NT Naturally ....4NT is QUANTATIVE. this says pd I have 5 Spades likely 5332 ( havent bid another suit ) and in slam region.

If pd transfers... MUST bid 3 of maj REGARDLESS ( even if you have decided to open 1,2 nt with singlton!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can only break with 4+ fit biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Myles- 10-13-2005
The
"Any thoughts on only completing transfers with 3+ and bidding 3n with a doubleton?"
part is rather than having a tranfers break to 3nt, the transfer break to 3n shows a doubleton and so would solve many problems, is an agreement with some english tournament players and i was wondering if anyone knew of it or even played it here.

Well, someone made Gerry a form of keri over a 2n, seem slike you have a keri like system too, i love keri! rolleyes.gif

And the using 3S as 5S 4H is definetly a wasted bid, this is how
improve to the Real version of 5crd Puppet stayman (though u play baron, hm not so wasted)

CODE
3C - 3N           - at most 3H/2S ;)
      3S           - 5 Spades
      3H           - 5 Hearts
      3D           - 4/4,4,4,3S      (any four card major and/or 3 card spade)
           -  3H denies 4H
           - 3S denies (exactly) 4S and => guarantees 4hearts
           - 3N  shows 4-4


So, with the 5S 4H heart hand we have

Having 3 spades
CODE

2N           3C
3D           3S
3N            4N


Having 4H
CODE

2N            3C
3D            3S
4H


Having neither
CODE

2N                     3C
3N

The system is full proof for finding all major suit fits, does nothing with the minors but now 3S can be minor enquiry of some sort. Any questions on the 5crd puppet apreciated

David- 10-16-2005
Interesting.

Is that standard in puppet staymen as I haven't come across it before? It seems to make sense and I should probably be playing it.

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Any thoughts on only completing transfers with 3+ and bidding 3n with a doubleton?"


The obvious drawback I can see is if responder has a complete bust and you end up playing in 3NT when responder was trying to simply play in 3 of a major.

I guess it depends whether you view that as a problem. There aren't that many occasions over a 2NT opener when you don't end up in game but you could risk a large penalty on those occasions where responder has nothing.

Out of interest, what problems do you perceive it as solving? Catherine's suggested auction is fairly standard and seems sufficient to me. You either end up playing in 4NT with a 5-2 fit or 5M if you have a 5-3 fit but are just short of a slam.


MickyB- 10-16-2005
QUOTE (David @ Oct 16 2005, 12:02 PM)
QUOTE
Any thoughts on only completing transfers with 3+ and bidding 3n with a doubleton?"


The obvious drawback I can see is if responder has a complete bust and you end up playing in 3NT when responder was trying to simply play in 3 of a major.

Indeed - a 5-2 fit is usually more likely to bring in 9 tricks than NT. Might be worth having a 3NT break showing a singleton, or maybe a doubleton support with a hand very keen to play in NT because it has an AKQxxx minor or similar.

That version of Puppet is much better - standard response structures to 2NT pretty much ignore the minors. If you want to get complicated, you can play 3S as a puppet to 3NT (after which responder can bid on to show various hands) which frees up 3NT as artificial. Easily forgotten though.

Myles- 10-24-2005
Does 3M play better in a 5-2 fit than NT even with one hand absolutely stacked with points, like 21 opposite 2?
I'd like to know this bcoz it would ruin the system if its true.

If so ye this might not be the best best but I dont see how the 3M would play better than 2N (i.e. playing 3N shows doubleton you now might not transfer with a bust 5M) it will leave problems if responder has 6M and bust but then may as well be in 4 than 3.

These hands that have a singleton in, no! cool.gif even then is it not usually a bare A or K?

I like this idea of 3S puppet, better than playing it as minor suit asking bids but forgetable perhaps, i'm thinking on it

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